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Rab See
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Posted - 2014.05.28 12:19:00 -
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Its been said, but any Dev input on the issue of the armour freighters having an advantage on tanking using low slots?
Adaptive Nanos and the variants:
3x Coreli ANP on Provi:
46000 EHP with minimum 60% on explosive.
The same on a Charon ...
15000 EHP with minimum 60% on explosive.
The Fenrir and Obelisk sit in the middle of course, Fenrir worse for armour significantly.
Thats a massive fundamental difference. Understandably hard to balance with no midslots and resulting penalties for using bulkheads to tank. This is amplified on the T2 variants ... the sudden change to lowslots from rigs may have created this blind spot.
Can we add some flavour to the shield variants - agility for the Fenrir, speed for the Charon ... make them worthwhile. Otherwise the tiny differences mean its a nerf in all but name. |
Rab See
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:30:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Sorry to interrupt this discussion but I came looking for a discussion of Freighter and JF's
Only comment I found relevant on this page was a request to make all of them armor tank.
I disagree. Each race has its own flavour and its own design choices. Homogenization of the freighters would negate the need for the choices and we might as well just can the lot of them and go with one Freighter and one JF both made by Ore.
I do not want that, do you?
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There is no choice when one of the 4 choices can armour tank using its new lowlsots, and one is so undertanked in the same way that its pointless using it.
Its not hard to see that the Fenrir/Charon will be used less. Hauling is about space and survivability, then secondly about 'speed'. Unless the shiled tankers are improved significantly in this respect, they just wont get used. They will slowly die to gankers over time and be migrated to the heavier tanked ships.
Lets just reiterate - 3 low slow Coreli ANP on the Provi/ Obelisk is a huge advantage. Tank with no penalties. It cannot be matched without gimping even more the shield tankers. The can only buff their hull, slower and smaller cargo.
Can you tell me why you would fly a Charon over a Provi?
To tackle your key question .. I do not want 'no choice', but I am being forced to choose Provi. The other two are pointless and the Obelisk is just not as good. |
Rab See
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:27:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone, just wanted to remind you all that we will be keeping a close eye on these changes as they hit TQ and we are of course committed to a balanced environment between defense and offense.
We don't believe that these changes skew the balance too far against suicide gankers, although they do provide some good options for smart players to manage their risk.
So, Faction ANPs on Slaved, Boosted Providence only from now on. No tanking options for the Charon or Fenrir. Simply gimped with bulkheads instead.
Wicked balancing. |
Rab See
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Posted - 2014.06.04 09:40:00 -
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JP Boirelle wrote:CCP can you please point out what the shield tanking version of ANPs are please? My shield tanked Freighter would like the same benefit of the Obelisk and Providence.
3x Coreli ANP on Provi = 338k EHP
3x Bulkhead II on Provi = 347k EHP
3x Coreli ANP on Charon = 247k EHP
3x Bulkhead II on Charon = 303k EHP
Which would you pick? Now add slaves, and now add boosts.
Provi gets to 496k EHP - no Bulkheads - just ANP
Charon gets to 343k - 3x Bulkheads best.
The armour tankers get Slaves, and get ANP, why would you use Bulkheads at all? So they suffer no penalties.
COME ON DEVS? Comment please.
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Rab See
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Posted - 2014.06.04 12:41:00 -
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H3llHound wrote:Like every patchday suddenly the forums spring up with life with all those oblivious to the changes announced mutliple times over the last weeks.
Wow - you are so 'on the ball'. I see one post from someone who hadn't yet commented. Thats less than 'spring'.
As for myself, before the changes I noted how there would be imbalance on a staggering scale. Making a snap decision to get rid of rigs (good), and replace with lowslots (inadvertantly bad) is now the major issue.
Armour tanking freighters only from now on. Forget the Charon and Fenrir.
Slaves and ANP FTW. |
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